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Post by CarltonTheBear on Sept 11, 2008 22:56:08 GMT -5
His style of play is compared to that of Jerome Iginla, and he tore it up last year in the WHL, he would be a very good addition to the Leafs, nevermind the fact that his human eraser of a brother is already in our prospect stable.
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Post by Alex Tran on Sept 11, 2008 23:00:26 GMT -5
Just an honest question but are we hyping Brayden Schenn to much in the dreams of having a badass brother tandem? Or is it legit that he can be number one undisputed dare-I say-franchise center? Alex I've been a long time fan of you and your stats my man. I'm hoping you can dig together some minor league point comparisons and give me a little faith here. Gimme a sec on the stats, but based on what I can answer right now: Yes, I believe Brayden Schenn to be a franchise calibre player. We're not necessarily talking Crosby/Ovechkin/Malkin status here, but there are more than 3 franchise players in the NHL. From a scouting perspective, many WHL scouts have likened him to a less flashy version of Iginla. Why? - He plays the game 110% every night - He gets involved in all aspects: he's tough, he hits, he fights, he scores, he plays defense, and above all he's a dynamic offensive player - He's a fantastic locker room presence and leader - He's a gamebreaking sniper He projects as a 80-90 point player, 35-40 goal scorer, and combined with the rest of his well-rounded game and leadership, that would certainly qualify him among the league's elite. |
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Post by Alex Tran on Sept 11, 2008 23:01:05 GMT -5
His style of play is compared to that of Jerome Iginla, and he tore it up last year in the WHL, he would be a very good addition to the Leafs, nevermind the fact that his human eraser of a brother is already in our prospect stable. lol there you go. Someone said the same thing as I was typing up my response. Any comparison to a fantastic player like Iginla is certain to turn heads. |
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Post by unholygoalie on Sept 11, 2008 23:02:04 GMT -5
Do you honestly think that not only would we have only gotten Van Ryn for McCabe, but had to add a 4th to it if everyone and their mother didn't know that the Leafs were trying to dump McCabe and that a good portion of Leaf fans think that McCabe is garbage because of a few high profile mistakes? Like I said before, that won't happen again due to the change in expectations. What I was referring to there was good depth players playing on a bad team not changing their value drastically. |
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Post by Chance on Sept 11, 2008 23:05:19 GMT -5
Well I'm sold. Man this top five draft, even top ten looks amazing. Thanks for the analysis Alex, always appreciated.
You've got one draft pick left in the top ten. Assume Tavares, Schenn and Hedman are gone, who do you choose out of the rest and why? What/who do you feel the Leafs need whether that's based on nationality, position, size etc.
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Post by Alex Tran on Sept 11, 2008 23:10:16 GMT -5
Alright, here's a quick junior stat breakdown of some notable WHL power forwards:
Age 16:
Iginla: 0.60 PPG
Schenn: 1.08 PPG
Getzlaf: 0.29 PPG
Age 17:
Iginla: 0.99 PPG (drafted 11th overall after this season)
Schenn: (coming season '08-'09)
Getzlaf: 0.97 PPG (drafted 19th overall after this season)
Age 18:
Iginla: 2.16 PPG
Schenn: ('09-'10 season)
Getzlaf: 1.53 PPG
As you can see, for players with good size, and a well-rounded game, the "magic number" in regards to scoring is usually the PPG mark. NHL stars like Getzlaf and Iginla reached that number at age 17, while Schenn passed it at age 16.
Obviously, Schenn has to continue to develop, and break out at age 18 like Getzlaf/Iginla did, but it just goes to show you how impressive Schenn has been thus far.
Consider: If he showed no improvement during his second year, and simply matched his PPG rate from his rookie season, he would be right on par with two of the league's elite power forwards at the same age.
I'm just saying that he's likely going to be a 80-90 point player to be realistic/conservative, but there is also the distinct possibilty that he could break out ala Getzlaf/Iginla and approach the 100 point plateau.
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Post by Chance on Sept 11, 2008 23:20:45 GMT -5
Alright, here's a quick junior stat breakdown of some notable WHL power forwards: Consider: If he showed no improvement during his second year, and simply matched his PPG rate from his rookie season, he would be right on par with two of the league's elite power forwards at the same age. I'm just saying that he's likely going to be a 80-90 point player to be realistic/conservative, but there is also the distinct possibilty that he could break out ala Getzlaf/Iginla and approach the 100 point plateau. You are too good my friend. Thanks so much that actually really hypes him up for me in my eyes a lot. Wow just thinking about having our own version of Iginla as our top line center bleeding blue and white with his big brother throwing out the big hits and potentially scoring from the blue line makes me drool. |
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Post by Alex Tran on Sept 11, 2008 23:23:21 GMT -5
Well I'm sold. Man this top five draft, even top ten looks amazing. Thanks for the analysis Alex, always appreciated. You've got one draft pick left in the top ten. Assume Tavares, Schenn and Hedman are gone, who do you choose out of the rest and why? What/who do you feel the Leafs need whether that's based on nationality, position, size etc. I would probably be stuck between either Canadian centre Matt Duchene or Swedish winger Magnus Svensson Pajaarvi. On one side, you've got the Canadian captain of the Ivan Hlinka international tournament, Duchene. He's an another all-around accomplished forward, with superberb playmaking abilities and high end speed. He's supremely talented, but hasn't quite put up the elite offensive numbers that everyone expects. He's very comparable to a Jason Spezza with leadership ability: a jaw dropping dangler and playmaker, but one who can frustrate you at times with his inconsistency or disinterest in getting involved defensively/physically. The flip side is, if the lightbulb somehow turns on after he's drafted, you've got one of the league's best offensive weapons for years to come. On the other side, is the Swedish phenom MSP that has been soaring up the draft charts after owning his competition and earning top scoring honours at the same Ivan Hlinka tournament this summer. He simply outclassed everyone else offensively, and his apparent ease at dangling around bigger, stronger competition have helped somewhat appease scouts' doubts about his size/strength at the NHL level. Offensively, he reminds you of a Datsyuk because he has blinding speed and video game like moves. He can score from anywhere, anytime, or make highlight reel passes. The other aspects of his game share similar deficiencies as Duchene, as he can sometimes seem a little disinterested and more concerned with getting a pass to lead the rush. Between the two, it comes down to toma"toes" or to"mah"toes to be honest. Both are electrifying offensive talents. You want to trade a few points for someone who can be a centreman and captain your team further down the line? You go with Duchene. You want the more dynamic, edge-of-your-seat type winger, you go with MSP. If you put a gun to my head, I would probably have to take a vote of my scouting staff. Sorry for the copout  |
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Post by Alex Tran on Sept 11, 2008 23:28:22 GMT -5
Oh and if it helps everyone get a better idea, I would probably project Duchene as an 85-90 point player, while MSP would be more in the 90-100 point range in their primes.
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Post by CarltonTheBear on Sept 11, 2008 23:31:04 GMT -5
Oh and if it helps everyone get a better idea, I would probably project Duchene as an 85-90 point player, while MSP would be more in the 90-100 point range in their primes. It's too bad MSP has such a ridiculously long name  |
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Post by Alex Tran on Sept 11, 2008 23:33:41 GMT -5
Oh and if it helps everyone get a better idea, I would probably project Duchene as an 85-90 point player, while MSP would be more in the 90-100 point range in their primes. It's too bad MSP has such a ridiculously long name lmao, I would love to see the NHL's first ever wrap-around jersey name ahaha. |
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Post by Lee Denault on Sept 11, 2008 23:36:28 GMT -5
I would love to get 2 picks in the top 10
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Post by Alex Tran on Sept 11, 2008 23:39:50 GMT -5
I would love to get 2 picks in the top 10 I don't see Cliff managing to swing a deal for another pick that high, unless he somehow managed to con a mid round 1st for Kubina and then packaged that with Kaberle to a team like Atlanta for a top 5 pick. |
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Post by Lee Denault on Sept 12, 2008 0:11:41 GMT -5
I would love to get 2 picks in the top 10 I don't see Cliff managing to swing a deal for another pick that high, unless he somehow managed to con a mid round 1st for Kubina and then packaged that with Kaberle to a team like Atlanta for a top 5 pick. I think we really have a shot at getting another mid to high first round pick with players like toskala and kaberle. |
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