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Post by Lee Denault on Sept 11, 2008 19:31:19 GMT -5
Van Ryn, Blake, Devereaux, Moore I would agree with Van Ryn, Devereaux and Moore, but I wouldn't say Blake is that overvalued. I think he is, because he is aging, highly over price, known as a cancer in the dressing room, and has health issues. I doubt teams would offer 1 mid round pick for him, not to mention 2
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Post by CarltonTheBear on Sept 11, 2008 19:38:12 GMT -5
I would agree with Van Ryn, Devereaux and Moore, but I wouldn't say Blake is that overvalued. I think he is, because he is aging, highly over price, known as a cancer in the dressing room, and has health issues. I doubt teams would offer 1 mid round pick for him, not to mention 2 You had to call him a cancer eh? lol. Well this is of course based on him having a decent year, which if he does is easily worth a 3rd and a 5th to a playoff bound team.
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Post by Lee Denault on Sept 11, 2008 19:44:07 GMT -5
No pun intended, I obviously have a different opinion, but I see Jason Blake as the epidemy of having no trade value.
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Post by mapleleafsforever on Sept 11, 2008 20:51:22 GMT -5
I think that Raycroft is actually the epitome of that. Blake is just an excellent example.
Now, I've only read the last 3 posts so I can only assume what the original intent of this thread was but I'll take a crack at it.
If the Leafs move one or two of Van Ryn, Finger, Hagman, Kubina or.... (drumroll) Toskala then they will be going in the right direction at the trade deadline.
I think a Toskala trade would be EXCELLENT. Love the guy, but with Pogge in the system and his contract situation making him a very appealing commodity to teams who need help in goal we can move him and get a return that just might rival the high price that JFJ paid for his services. In his absence let Cujo finish the season between the posts and bring Pogge up for spot starts here and there unless the Marlies are in a dogfight.
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Post by unholygoalie on Sept 11, 2008 21:22:42 GMT -5
Van Ryn, Blake, Devereaux, Moore Last year, Salei got Skrastins and a 3rd. Look at what Keith Carney got two years ago. A prospect and a 2nd. A few years back, Ozolinsh got a 3rd. Hal Gill went for a 2nd and a 5th, MA Bergeron went for a 3rd, and Vandermeer went for a 3rd at the last deadline. Hale went with a 5th for a 3rd at the 2006/2007 deadline. Blake's contract will get better with time because other players will be making more while doing either the same or less. If Blake gets 20 goals by the deadline, which is reasonable considering the ice time he's likely to get, there will be a desperate team out there SOMEWHERE willing to give up at least one mid round pick, if not two, depending on how bad they need him. Devereaux and Moore are better than Kilger on a playoff team and Kilger got us a 3rd from a non-playoff team. Imagine if there's a team out there that wants to add a hard working 3rd line player to help play good defense during the playoffs. While I agree that both of them will probably not get to play all year long due to the backlog of players we have, the one of them that does play a lot of hockey this season, will prove to be worth a 2nd or 3rd at the deadline. Did you know that Moore got traded for a 3rd at the 2006/2007 deadline? It happened. Pittsburgh moved him to Minnesota for a 3rd round pick. Saprykin went for a 2nd that same year. Joel Kwiatkowski went for a 4th. I know, who the hell is Joel Kwiatkowski!
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Post by CarltonTheBear on Sept 11, 2008 21:34:56 GMT -5
Did you know that Moore got traded for a 3rd at the 2006/2007 deadline? It happened. Pittsburgh moved him to Minnesota for a 3rd round pick. Did you know that we picked him up on waivers for free in the 2007/2008 season?
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Post by unholygoalie on Sept 11, 2008 21:48:29 GMT -5
Did you know that we picked him up on waivers for free in the 2007/2008 season? Yes I did, but since being picked up by the Leafs, he's really picked up his game. All I was trying to say was, at the deadline, a lot of teams pay more than they usually do for players that aren't exactly what they need or as good as the picks they give up.
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Post by CarltonTheBear on Sept 11, 2008 21:56:10 GMT -5
Yes I did, but since being picked up by the Leafs, he's really picked up his game. All I was trying to say was, at the deadline, a lot of teams pay more than they usually do for players that aren't exactly what they need or as good as the picks they give up. Yea, this is true. However, I wouldn't pin my hopes on another team overpaying for a member of the Leafs' who's trade value will probably be zero because of the constant criticism by the media and fans who want them shipped out.
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Post by unholygoalie on Sept 11, 2008 22:00:08 GMT -5
Yea, this is true. However, I wouldn't pin my hopes on another team overpaying for a member of the Leafs' who's trade value will probably be zero because of the constant criticism by the media and fans who want them shipped out. Things will be different this year. The media and the fans won't get on the cases of players that I've listed simply because the expectations aren't as high. Had the expectations been what they are now, several years ago, guys like McCabe would not have been bashed, but instead, praised. Also, regardless of what the media and the fans say, good players are good players. Teams in need of help come playoff time will be looking for the Van Ryns and the Moores and the Kubinas of the world because they know that every little bit helps during the playoffs. A guy who plays in the top two like Kubina who goes to a team and is suddenly the #4 guy makes that team MUCH stronger. Same goes for Van Ryn, who could be a top four guy but plays the #5 or #6 role on a contending team. It's all about depth and if there is one thing the Leafs have a lot of, it's depth players.
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Post by CarltonTheBear on Sept 11, 2008 22:11:25 GMT -5
Also, regardless of what the media and the fans say, good players are good players. Do you honestly think that not only would we have only gotten Van Ryn for McCabe, but had to add a 4th to it if everyone and their mother didn't know that the Leafs were trying to dump McCabe and that a good portion of Leaf fans think that McCabe is garbage because of a few high profile mistakes?
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Post by Chance on Sept 11, 2008 22:41:42 GMT -5
I'm really interested in what people would be willing to give for Kaberle. Last year was it just a straight up trade him for Carter, or was Philly's first going our way too?
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Post by CarltonTheBear on Sept 11, 2008 22:47:49 GMT -5
I'm really interested in what people would be willing to give for Kaberle. Last year was it just a straight up trade him for Carter, or was Philly's first going our way too? Last year at the deadline we had a deal lined up for Carter and Philly's first coming our way for Kaberle, all Kaberle had to do was give the ok and it was done.
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Post by Alex Tran on Sept 11, 2008 22:51:11 GMT -5
Yeah. If we had been able to land Philly's 21st overall pick and Carter, it would have been a MAJOR step forward for our rebuild.
Carter would be a fantastic #2 centre of the future behind Tavares/Schenn, and that pick could've landed us another solid forward prospect like Eberle (22nd overall).
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Post by CarltonTheBear on Sept 11, 2008 22:54:01 GMT -5
It's really frustrating knowing what we could have gotten at the deadline if the fab five had of accepted deals
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Post by Chance on Sept 11, 2008 22:54:05 GMT -5
Just an honest question but are we hyping Brayden Schenn to much in the dreams of having a badass brother tandem? Or is it legit that he can be number one undisputed dare-I say-franchise center?
Alex I've been a long time fan of you and your stats my man. I'm hoping you can dig together some minor league point comparisons and give me a little faith here.
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